Lola is a good theatre artist who loves to play bad
Valancy is an actor who wishes she were in everything
Nan is made really uncomfortable by all white casts
Valancy
I’ve seen most of the PAC’s shows over the years, sometimes loving them, sometimes feeling less enthusiastic, so I feel like I came in with a pretty open mind this time. Although I probably was biased in wanting to love it and everyone in it. What’s in your pockets?
Nan
This is actually the first full show I’ve seen of the PAC’s, though I’ve been to a couple of their readings. I’ve worked with a few of the actors in the show. I have a good feeling about the company though so I definitely came in really wanting to like the show.
Lola
I’ve only seen two PAC shows (Mary Stuart and He Who Gets Slapped), but I know and love a lot of people involved in the production. And I always have high hopes, for better or for worse.
Valancy
They had a really strong design concept for The White Devil, even with their minimalist set.
Nan
I know that the Broad Street Ministry space is really powerful on its own and I had heard/seen from photos that their design choices tend to be pretty character-driven and simple, and I was definitely really satisfied by the design, all around.
Lola
That space really is beautiful. And it’s very poignant for the PAC to let the space be the star in their last production before they move out of the Broad Street Ministry.
Nan
I thought they used the space really beautifully (though of course they would have a close relationship to it after all this time), what with the action on the second level and the use of the double doors upstage center in a way that was very reminiscent of the Blackfriars
Valancy
The lighting in particular, with the film noir mood and characters popping in and out of red curtains and up on the balcony, really enhanced the experience for me.
Lola
Definitely. I almost wish the balcony had been used more, because I loved those little surprises so much.
Valancy
It always helps, with so many plot twists and hidden entrances, to have your eye directed to the important moments by careful lighting choices, and Robert Thorpe and James Lewis succeeded beautifully.
Lola
So. Many. Plot. Twists.
Nan
I didn’t think to look up and see what kind of lighting situation they had to work with but the lighting was so successful in doing what was dramatically necessary and also made sense with the film noir approach
Valancy
I’m a huge film noir fan, so I appreciated the concept, although I thought it might have overpowered some of the romantic relationships in the play, especially in the beginning, between Jared Reed and Charlotte Northeast.
Nan
It did feel like they put their relationship away a bit to focus on the overall drama of the show. And the “everyone is a terrible person” thesis.
Lola
I enjoy noir, but I was also very confused for 80% of the play.
Valancy
There was confusion I think in the multiple casting; it was difficult to track who the actors were at any particular moment.
Nan
I was only a little confused about David Pica’s doubling, but only because his second character doesn’t really get introduced? So I found myself wondering if it was the first character in disguise.
Lola
Noir is a hard genre on stage because it is so performative, so if you’re trying to craft relationships, you have to be hyper stylized for it to ring true or not feel weird. And yeah, that is true. He just showed up wearing glasses.
Valancy
I found myself confused by Adam Altman’s final character as well, but it was at the end of the evening, and I may have just been addled by so much bloodshed.
Lola
Oh yeah. Hortensio shows up for no reason, just because Hortensio shows up in every play from that time. The leads need SOMEBODY to talk to! That being said, Adam Altman did everything he could to differentiate his characters. I thought he was clear and specific every time he was onstage.
Nan
Yeah, agreed.
Lola
I wasn’t confused by the doubling so much as I just didn’t see the story through the clouds.
Nan
I think it might just be one of those plays where there isn’t that much story behind the clouds though. If we’re talking about confusion though can I just bring up the dream/murder/dumbshow sequence?
Lola
Ooooh yeah. That dumbshow…
Valancy
The dramatic intensity really did begin at 11 and stay there, which is true of the Jacobean “revenge tragedy” in general, I think. I did love that they just opted to make it full-fledged hilarious; they chose a strong style with stylized characterizations and used the pantomime moments to highlight the ridiculously over-the top shenanigans of the plotters.
Nan
Though I did really really enjoy it, I was really confused about the dark room/voiceover premise. I had no idea whose voice that even was?
Valancy
Yes, at first I was thinking “what the hell?”
Nan
In retrospect I think maybe it was JJ Van Name’s doctor character explaining how she finished off her victims? But it really reminded me of those weird Michel Gondry style dream sequences, which I adore, but it was such a big jump thematically and textually from the rest of the play.
Valancy
It was discordant, that voiceover, and difficult to hear the text.
Nan
I think it could have been more successful if the voice had been recognizable?
Lola
It just seemed out of place. And I’m all about showing off and style over substance, but I dunno. When you can’t hear the text and it just kind of happens? Meh.
Valancy
I thought it was Charlotte Northeast, but what she was saying didn’t make sense for her character.
Lola
I think it was Charlotte. Maybe it was supposed to suggest she did kill him and was acting while on trial or she’s the brains or something? I’m confused.
Nan
But then the trial scene is powerful because she apparently hadn’t heard until that moment that her husband was even dead? It was just not specific enough and generally too big a digression, I think, even though it’s a more interesting choice than just having someone come onstage and tell us how they did it.
Valancy
What did you think of the music? I was sitting on the ground level, and that live cello went through the floorboards and vibrated up through my chest. I thought it was really gorgeous and scored the play perfectly. Congratulations go to composer/performer, Stefan Orn Arnarson.
Nan
I loved the music! I thought it was really successful.
Lola
I also loved the music. Provocative, for sure.
Nan
I also thought the costuming was really impressive.
Lola
Everybody on stage wore the period and style really well.
Valancy
Oooh, yes, I loved how Charlotte’s hat symmetrically echoed her 1940’s do.
Nan
Big big hi fives to Katherine Fritz for doing all that on what I can only imagine was not much budget. That’s really not easy to pull off. There were so many suits onstage, and changes for almost every actor! It’s a lot.
Lola
She created 4 different looks for Giovanni, who isn’t even a large part. That’s dedication.
Nan
The only outlier I think being JJ Van Name. I’m sympathetic because I know it can be a challenge to costume actors who have physical needs that affect what they wear–– but her super contemporary shoes really bugged me, and her “mother” character’s outfit didn’t quite seem in period or even to fit her well.
Valancy
Yes, those flats really stuck out; maybe if they’d been the same color as the rest of her costume, it would have been less of an issue. Lexie Braverman did a great job in her double role, particularly as Giovanni, the son. She had just the right energy and stance, without shouting out “I’m playing a boy!”
Nan
Agreed! I was really impressed by her work overall. I was really interested in this ensemble, actually–– obviously it’s a show with a ton of characters and they had a bunch of doubling to deal with, but there was such a range of what seemed like confidence or understanding of the show.
Lola
I just found it funny that we were watching The White Devil when there were a whole bunch of white people onstage. I wonder if that was purposeful? Although I’m not too sure….
Nan
Yeah. I mean they kept putting Jared Reed in that white tux jacket, which seemed pretty pointed. But it is a thoroughly white cast, and I feel like that’s pretty unforgivable.
Valancy
I adored the commitment from the entire cast. One thing about some of PAC’s shows in the past is the unevenness in the casting, particularly when they had an apprentice program. So it was great to see everyone fully ON. And yes, I just looked again at the program and saw all those white faces, which just isn’t good enough in 2017 in Philadelphia. There’s no excuse.
Nan
So I saw the show probably like a week and a half ago, and it didn’t really seem like everyone was “on” then.
Valancy
I saw it on closing night, so it could be they ratcheted it up a notch or two.
Lola
Dan Hodge is built for this sort of work. Performative yet grounded? Done. And Adam Altman is truly one of the greatest actors in the city.
Nan
Adam Altman is a really fantastic actor. Really beautiful work and big kudos for playing supporting roles so unselfishly.
The thing about Dan Hodge that sort of bugs me is his tendency to pepper in non-textual sounds. It feels like he doesn’t trust the text to do the work for him.
Lola
Ah, Yes. “The actor at work” kind of thing.
Valancy
I loved Dan’s inappropriate sense of humor in this one, which probably is when he ad-libbed the most sounds. I found it really ridiculous and funny, and it gave his conniving character much more relatable humanity.
Nan
He definitely seemed to be trying to keep the energy high, which I appreciated when everyone else was playing super slick noir villain.
Valancy
I want to say, while we’re talking about acting, that John Lopes was the best I’ve ever seen him. He usually plays the doddering father; so it was great to see him embrace the evil in this, and with complexity.
Lola
Definitely a presence on stage. I’ve actually never seen him before.
Nan
The great thing about the PAC, for me, is that they’re such a tight knit group of friends and compatriots and clearly they are really passionate about putting up the work come hell or high water. But I think there were a few casting decisions that didn’t quite work out well, and I found myself wondering if it was because they mostly seem to cast their friends, and it ends up limiting them, even with the fact that it was an all white cast aside. I guess that’s the double edged sword of creating your own company and casting your friends. Everyone’s clearly so passionate about it, and that is what’s so appealing about it most of the time, but it also means you don’t or can’t always cast the right actor for the role.
Lola
The other thing I’m a little unsure about is why they picked this play? I know they are dedicated to little seen classics, which I love and appreciate, and it is such an awesome mission statement to have, but some classics aren’t seen for a reason.
Nan
I was actually surprised to find it’s a pretty good play, in terms of functionality, at least. But I’m not a fan of the fact that they’ve been marketing it with Charlotte’s face and she is only in like three scenes. It’s clearly Dan’s play. It felt a bit disingenuous, in a play that is so chock full of fantastic men’s roles–– as if they were trying to downplay the inherent sexism of the work.
Nan
Like, I do appreciate doing underdone classics. But you have to own up to the fact that they’re shitty and sexist, and ideally really COMMENT on it. Anything else feels like it’s endorsing it by omission.
Valancy
Their mission to produce the unknown classics definitely limits them. One of my ongoing complaints about PAC is that the material they choose is not always the strongest, and so the actors and designers have to fight against the writing and create something wonderful out of it. Although, I was struck on multiple occasions by how modern some of the language felt here — particularly the use of metaphor.
Nan
I’m just really tired of doing classics at face value. It feels too much like the “Well things were actually historically shitty like this, so we’re just being historically accurate, enjoy your blast from the past, minorities!”
Lola
Yes, Yes. A million times yes.
Valancy
Too many theatres in Philly cast from a small pool of friends, and that’s why there so often seems to be such a lack of diversity, as we saw here.
Nan
It just ends up feeling so masturbatory. I honestly did enjoy the show but if you’re not being inclusive it’s not for everyone to enjoy.
Lola
All very true.
Valancy
I thought setting it in the 1940’s gave the women more power than they might have had originally. At least they got to fire pistols.
Nan
Yeah. I think there was a small attempt to minimize the sexism there. And the fact that across the board EVERYONE is terrible and gets comeuppance, rather than it all being on Vittoria’s head? But it felt pretty half-hearted to me.
Valancy
I did have a really fun time, but I did also notice that I was the only one guffawing, which probably means I have a sick sense of humor and like to see Dan Hodge kill people and then die.
Lola
I kind of wanted them to be more shitty. I have a high pain tolerance for bad people, and I like to see them behave badly as opposed to being told they are behaving badly. It kind of felt like actors playing at being bad people? Which, of course, if always better than hiring legitimately bad people.
Valancy
I agree about it seeming like actors playing at being bad, but I put that down to the film noir artifice of it. Barbara Stanwyck definitely plays at being bad in Double Indemnity, but it’s fun to watch her do it.
Lola
She’s so good at being bad.
Valancy
One question about staging. What did you think of the sword fight? Michael Cosenza is a fight choreographer I always hear about, but I thought the fight was predictable and not as menacing as I wanted it to be.
Lola
Cosenza is really great at creative fights, but maybe this one was based on actor skill? I’m usually impressed with him, but I agree, I thought the work in this was a little predictable.
Nan
The sheer amount of hair pulls in this show! There were like five or six! Maybe it’s a staging thing with trying to get heads up in the thrust, too? I don’t have beef with the simplicity of the fights but I don’t think they were sold well. Also there were some issues with blood.
Lola
Yeah, the blood was kind of weird and lame. I want a Carrie situation at the end if you’re going to market it as a bloodbath.
Valancy
Now, I’m not a fighter, but even I recognized all the moves. I wanted to be surprised. I thought Jared was good at showing the poison seep through the mask to his brain though. It was a really fun moment to track, to see how long he could hold it together before collapsing in a final death throe.
Nan
I mean, you can’t go getting fancy suits bloody on the reg unless you have like three of them and the budget to do a lot of cleaning, but if you’re going to do blood sometimes, you kind of have to do it every time. Pica’s death just didn’t land without blood, especially when they had already used blood before that.
Lola
Of course. Damn logistics.
Nan
And yes, not nearly enough blood at the end.
Valancy
More blood!!!
Nan
I think they must have had trouble with blood packs that could survive that whole scene before without being obvious, but it just doesn’t work with less.
Valancy
I got spoiled by all the blood at Quintessence! Now, The Broken Heart was a blood bath! Is there anything else you two want to talk about with White Devil?
Lola
Did I mention how confused I was by the play? I loved the space and the atmosphere, but I do encourage the PAC to reach beyond their comfort zone in the future. I think they’re on the edge of something great, but I’m not sure they’ve hit on it yet.
Valancy
Loved the design, lights, music and costumes… had some issues with the design overpowering the play, but had a fun time at the show.
Nan
I really love the spirit behind what they’re trying to do, I just wish they would hold themselves more accountable in terms of casting POC and good women’s roles.
Valancy
Yes, I know Dan Hodge prides himself on non-gender specific casting. He didn’t direct this one, but I think they can go much, much further in that direction.
Lola
Maybe some new blood onstage is the answer?
Nan
Ooooof, okay punster. Gotta end on that note, for sure.